[MATURE] List of R18+ otome games and discussion/opinions

Last night I was just talking about how innocent the forum was so far XD. I wondered if it was okay to talk about these things. Since this topic still stands, I'm going to assume it is.

The only R18+ otome game I played was Under the Moon. I'm not a fan of the art style, and what little plot there was just seemed added in to compliment the hscenes. It wasn't an amazing game. If it had a good plot, I would have been able to enjoy it.

After UTM I've stuck to the games that focus more on romance and have decent plots. I wouldn't be against an R18+ otome game if it had a good plot. There's was only so much shock value to hold my attention for the first game. After that I feel like, "Yeah, there's sex in it. SO WHAT?". If anyone has played an R18+ with a good plot, I would love some recommendations.

Loren Leah wrote:I'm also grossed out by the rapeyness of most of them -- I don't mind dark elements in games (obviously considering how much I love BWS haha) but I really hate the "oh he raped me/did horrible things to me but I fell in love so it's all okay now" cliche.

I can't tell whether it's a really piss-poor "love conquers all, forgiveness is key!" thing, or just bad writing at its purest form.

Loren Leah wrote:Also is it me, or even viewing them strictly as sex fodder, don't a lot of them just seem... not very titillating? Even though these are games for girls a lot of them seem to have things like CGs where the heroine gets naked during sex but not the guy...not to sound crude but I can't say I find that very interesting...

It's supposedly titilating for the majority of their Japanese audience (obviously, the people who they will listen to since they're the ones that fork over that $$$). I agree, though I have to admit that I do take an interest in the "how many positions can a single game think of?" way. You'd think that the game was secretly targeted for dudes, given how much "erotic" artistic attention the girls get more than the guys. Any eroticism it would have IMO is usually ruined by hilariously copious amounts of "fluid", ridiculously long wangs (anatomy fail or going overboard with "the fantasy") and silly bed talk.

Sometimes, the scenes do nicely depict the love and bonding between two characters, but most of the time, they feel shoehorned in, not integrated. Maybe it would be a bit different if the entire scene was recorded on a dummy mic, since the voices make or break these types of games.

Ace of Hearts wrote:If anyone has played an R18+ with a good plot, I would love some recommendations.

It all depends on what you like and what are your "deal-breakers", but I recommend [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. If you can stomach a few bad/sad endings and darker themes, you may enjoy it. From memory, the forced scenes are avoidable and NOT essential towards a good/true end. The premise is unoriginal and shallow, but the depth of the game may surprise you.

For recent releases, and if you want to avoid forced/rape, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has maybe one or two AVOIDABLE rape scenes, which is a surprise, considering it was written by Hiyo. She put more thought into the plot, but sadly, due to her using dimensional travel themes, she confused herself and the plot gets confusing and convoluted quite easily. It's based on Alice in Wonderland.

I haven't played [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], but it has been getting pretty good reviews. I can't vouch for anything about its content, though.

Laramie Castiel wrote:
As terrible as I sound, I've accepted that
rape is a part of R18+ otome games. Fictional rape is a completely
different ball game from real life rape, and I disagree with some
people's views that it instills rape fantasies into its readers. The
psychology behind rape fantasies is not the topic here, so I won't go
on. The Japanese audience apparently likes rape-fetishistic scenes, so
the companies are answering. It also is a convenient "tool" for writers
to use to try and create "conflict/drama/tension". Callous,
really.

It's the same for me I don't like it and I wish they'd stop thinking we WANT such rape-centric plot, but it doesn't shock me anymore.

Koezaru is indeed, much better than the regular R18 otome games. Most of the routes had a lot of time spent on relationship development before proceeding to the naughty parts (the one route that was an exception did it correctly and it didn't seem out of place), and the overall story and world were were detailed enough that you could immerse yourself into the story rather than just breeze through the game paying attention to only the romance and nothing else. If only they cut out the bad ends where certain characters became creepy I'd give it a near perfect score.

Akazukin...ah, my love for Ookami-san. HE'S ALWAYS SUCH A SWEETHEART WHY RUIN IT D: (Well, at least he didn't physically force her...emotional blackmailing is plenty bad, though) In the end I had to resort to denial and excuses to protect my otomegokoro T.T

Kuro to kin...if anyone asked me if they should play it, I'd advise them to only play Ikuto's route and drop it (and avoid ALL ends other than the happy one). Like akazukin, it was all fluff the first half, but turned totally weird soon after Kanade started dating anybody. I felt like they used up all happy highschool plot devices in the first half and didn't have any actual story during the actual romance routes.

Chou no Doku was a pretty decent game other than the occasional art derps (Yuriko's HUGE hairbun, also FUJITAAAA), the storyline was justifiably dark and the mystery was intriguing. Shiba is my favorite character when it comes to the feeling of "like", but I find Majima intensely fascinating. I felt slightly sad though that there was one "single" end where she finds out the whole truth and she becomes a private detective in the end (during that era that's REALLY impressive), while in the most "canon" end you get after clearing everything she is completely in the dark and blissfully oblivious.

Ah Christine-how I loved that you were voiced and cute but you failed to deliver :/ Persona was boring enough that I didn't manage to even remember the plot long enough to truly realize what actually happened in the story The art was pretty, and the plot had a lot of possibilities-but it never matured into the work of art it could have been. The one character whom I adored had an optional Yandere route....WHY.

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Loren Leah wrote:Also is it me, or even viewing them strictly as sex fodder, don't a lot of them just seem... not very titillating? Even though these are games for girls a lot of them seem to have things like CGs where the heroine gets naked during sex but not the guy...not to sound crude but I can't say I find that very interesting...

That's not crude at all, we share your feelings Give us some glorious male flesh dammit. This problem in R18 otome games drives me crazy.

Laramie Castiel wrote:It all depends on what you like and what are your "deal-breakers", but I recommend [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. If you can stomach a few bad/sad endings and darker themes, you may enjoy it. From memory, the forced scenes are avoidable and NOT essential towards a good/true end. The premise is unoriginal and shallow, but the depth of the game may surprise you.

For recent releases, and if you want to avoid forced/rape, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has maybe one or two AVOIDABLE rape scenes, which is a surprise, considering it was written by Hiyo. She put more thought into the plot, but sadly, due to her using dimensional travel themes, she confused herself and the plot gets confusing and convoluted quite easily. It's based on Alice in Wonderland.

I haven't played [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], but it has been getting pretty good reviews. I can't vouch for anything about its content, though.

I'm not that sensitive. I can take the darker routes. Otome games don't seem to go into the themes that I can't stomach. Probably because I'm thinking of things that most other people would also find unappealing, or just plain gross. As long as the plot is decent and the characters are interesting I'm game. So I'll go take a look at these recommendations. Trick or Alice is familiar. I've seen it around. The art is off-putting for me, but if it can make up for that, I can still play it.

I think you will like Chou no Doku, I might be having Hatsukoi feelings because it was my first R18 otome game, but I remember liking the plot, and seiyuu list has Kondo Takashi and Daisuke Hirakawa. <3

I am unsure if Trick or Alice would appeal to you, Harroe...since we are already used to one rather well-done Alice adaption and this game had a rather fragmented storyline, but then again, I shouldn't put too much trust in another's words, I didn't play it myself. And Koezaru is GREAT, go play it!

Well I only found one adult otome game in english where the heroïne were not rape and were there was actually what i will call love or romance. Name The second reproduction.
I'm not against adult otome but I believe that when your aim is to sell it to the female population, it shouldn't contain rape.
And I found it quite incomprehensible that the heroine forgive such an act!
That and in those game, the heroine tend to tap on my nerves ( too naïve, too much obrdient ...) . In the end I will say that the plot is not my cup of tea ( loving a rapist and all). Even though I don't mind dark elements or even gore (love horror and martial art genre manga, especially the one with th rabbit game and As The God of Death Dictates know also as KAMISAMA NO IUTOORI)

It's the same for me I don't like it and I wish they'd stop thinking we WANT such rape-centric plot, but it doesn't shock me anymore.

Akazukin...ah, my love for Ookami-san. HE'S ALWAYS SUCH A SWEETHEART WHY RUIN IT D: (Well, at least he didn't physically force her...emotional blackmailing is plenty bad, though) In the end I had to resort to denial and excuses to protect my otomegokoro T.T

Ah Christine-how I loved that you were voiced and cute but you failed to deliver :/...The one character whom I adored had an optional Yandere route....WHY.

That's not crude at all, we share your feelings Give us some glorious male flesh dammit. This problem in R18 otome games drives me crazy.

Unfortunately, like you alluded to, it goes hand-in-hand with the Yandere boom. It almost makes me wish for the Tsundere boom to come back! Where is my Kuu/Dandere boom?! Whatever happened to trying to create characters without leaning on archetypal crutches? It sounds like it's going above and beyond simply "wanting the moniezzz". It's just LAZY.

*Sheds a tear for your otomegokoro* You poor thing! The most annoying part about
Ookami-san was the fact that he was great in everybody's route other than his own. It's like I got trolled. At least with Yamaneko-san, anybody with any kind of experience with otome games knows that the sly bastard's bad news and can avoid him.

And LMAO about

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. His transition felt so unnatural and unwarranted. Where was his sad little excuse or indication of prior psychological deficit that he would
turn out that way?! How could they forget their sorry little excuses, LOL. Don't get me started on Richard Filman (maybe his name was the other way around, whatevs).

Yes! The only time where clothes are acceptable in my eyes is if they're getting it on outdoors/a situation where they could get caught any time. Then that's understandable. Maybe the artists are just lazy?

cielanne wrote:I'm not against adult otome but I believe that when your aim is to sell it to the female population, it shouldn't contain rape.

And I found it quite incomprehensible that the heroine forgive such an act!

That and in those game, the heroine tend to tap on my nerves ( too naïve, too much obrdient ...)

Sadly, there is a big demand in rape fantasy stuff (given the popularity of the Do-S) amongst the Japanese audience. Rape is deeply ingrained into their culture- maybe not as badly as the world thinks- but it doesn't show signs of going away. Rape is present in its "real life" porn, erotic novels, hentai manga, visual novels...

Depictions of sex is very sexist; a woman enjoying sex is a whore/slut/other verbal abuses and men are just "being men" if they're putting rabbits to shame. Japan is a fairly conservative society, but women are especially encouraged to be conservative, particularly sexually, which is evident in the appeal of virgins. Of course, not all Japanese people are like this, and it's not as prevelant as it sounds, but the fact remains that such a "culture" exists and there is much more demand for it than say, from a Western audience.

I do agree on the forgiving aspect- the thing is, if the story explored a "Battered Wife" kind of psychological element, then it would make more sense, however terrible. However, these stories tend to just act as though the life-altering, life-ruining experience can be swept under the proverbial rug.

I'm also sick of the obedient and/or naive trope. Leave those innocence fantasies to the boy demographic, please. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that's what male eroge players
apparently likes, not the females. I guess the female protagonist is meant to be shallow, but still...

Trick or Alice might have been a convoluted mess, but at least its protagonist was more proactive, and her innocence didn't equate to idiocy. She was sexually innocent- that's fine; I'd be more worried if she was the school bicycle at such an age. But Hiyo knew that didn't mean Arisa had to be an idiot as a result. Arisa was no genius, but she wasn't bricks-for-brains.

Laramie Castiel wrote:Unfortunately, like you alluded to, it goes hand-in-hand with the Yandere boom. It almost makes me wish for the Tsundere boom to come back! Where is my Kuu/Dandere boom?! Whatever happened to trying to create characters without leaning on archetypal crutches?

Tsundere boom YESSS Why are the cutie characters friendzoned while the psychos get all the babes? >.<

Laramie Castiel wrote: I'm also sick of the obedient and/or naive trope. Leave those innocence fantasies to the boy demographic, please. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that's what male eroge players
apparently likes, not the females. I guess the female protagonist is meant to be shallow, but still...

Ah the naive doormats...I can't count the number of games I ragequit because I got sick the heroine's cliche "pure" personality and predictable responses to everything.

I'm still "recovering" from the Tsundere boom- that is- I was starting to get really sick of them, then the Yandere and Do-S booms came along. I guess Borderline Personality Disorder, chainsaws, knives, thinly-veiled threats, cages and raping-the-girl-until-she's-your-sex-slave tactics are the flavours of the month! I'm kinda glad the kuudere, dandere and haraguro haven't "boomed" yet (though the first still has a fair amount of fans)... TOUCH WOOD.

If I rage-quit every otome game I played that had a dense and naive doormat, I'd practically rage-quit about 70% of otome games in existence. I hate that dense/donkan thing. It's rarely played endearingly, and is such an obvious ploy to extended the courtship period. Sure, if the guy is pretty stoic and doesn't show how he feels, I can see how it's hard to understand. But when it comes to those guys who make their intentions obvious (a la Kanakubo Homare from Starry Sky), but the protagonist STILL can't pick it up after a few hours worth of gameplay, it's annoying, alright!

The only justified example of this "pure" heroine I can think of atm is Fiona Galland from Black Wolves Saga. When you're locked up in a tower in isolation from everybody aside from family, it makes sense. Otherwise, obvious plot stretching tactic is obvious.

I'm blaming the yandere boom on a certain pink haired girl...

I've played a solid amount of R18/Cero-Z, and most of them, well. Everything about them has already been said, hasn't it? Rape is certainly a problem. :U The storylines tend to come off as after thoughts and the heroines make me want to bash my head against a wall.

... yet I still play them? *sigh* Oh, the magic of smut.

Actually, right now I'm playing Trick or Alice. I haven't gotten far enough to make a judgement because all of the sparkly artwork is just blinding. Looking at it for too long will make you drunk with 'desu'. Though I'm surprised at the lack of rape thus far. .___. And there is definitely something of a plot line. or maybe I'm just easily confused.

Sorry Topaz, if I spoiled you with anything. Man, I should be more careful!

I consider myself an irredeemable pervert, but I take no enjoyment in seeing the protagonist get raped. Perhaps because I never imagine myself as the protagonist. I just can't pretend that I made that dumb decision to drink that obviously spiked cup of tea.

Anyway, there definitely is a "proper" plot, but I did get confused/lost at times towards the end. I actually like the individualistic nature of the art, though I do agree it's pretty crazy. It's fun and whimsical which suits the Alice in Wonderland thing so well. I just think it lacks strong focal points; causing my eyes to spin.

That being said, I loved the interface and the sound effects. At least this little cheese game wasn't as buggy as Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi. before they released a patch (and it was still buggy even then). The most of the cast is likeable, which sounds like a silly point to bring up, but this hardly happens in 18+ otome.

I will have to (painfully) admit that some R18+ otome games I wasn't too impressed with kept me around thanks to seiyuu I like being in smutty scenes. I like to think I have a bit of class, but LOL, not in the Laramie-Castiel-in-the-Diamond-Faction zone.

Nah, it's totally OK. Nothing much was spoiled, if it happens again I might not forgive you though. (Kidding, of course~)

The artwork does suit the Wonderland theme well, but everyone looks so adorable... and then you're reminded of why the game is R-18. ;A;

The interface is really smooth and the sound effects are so cute~. I've never played Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi (ugh, does that have a shorter name?) myself but I've heard that everyone is a yandere it tends to freeze up or crash a lot. I didn't know it was a Little Cheese game though the character design reminds me a lot of Yura's BL games.

Pffftt... I felt like I was going to make a relevant point in this post, I forgot it though. Though I am hoping for more R18 games to discover the wonders of dummy head mics, fufufu~.

I MAY HAVE TO CRY AND BEG, Topaztan-sama!

Sometimes I really did feel some dissonance between the maturer feel of the game and the style of the artwork. I think the ultimate decision was for it to look whimsical. The boys were all very pretty, which is a good thing, but I would have wanted more diversity in facial structures. Oh well...

Yeah, I'll say it again- they did a fantastic job on designing the interface. I especially liked the comments the characters made depending on how high/low you set their voices to be. I think that's a Hiyo thing since Akazukin to Mayoi no Mori and Riddle Garden had that also. Because as you may already know Akazukin and Riddle Garden are not made by little cheese.

The fandom shortens Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi. to Kuro-Kin, so we can stick to that, LOL. Yes, it did freeze up, crash and bug a lot, even AFTER the patch! For example, turning down the BGM to "1" would mute it, but pressing the in-game mute option wouldn't mute the music. :/ I wouldn't say EVERYONE is yandere, I don't want to delve too deep into examples, because I don't want to accidentally spoil other people who may be reading my post. Let's just say that "haraguro" would be a more accurate description for some of the main cast.

The character designs and art of Kuro-Kin is by Yura. It's Yura's newer style; somewhere between Luckydog1 and Hana Awase. I like Yura's art, in spite of its flaws and all. So yeah, I've been following and checking out her other works, haha. Kuro-Kin is little cheese's first game.

Don't worry, I pretend to make a point all the time and it sometimes works. I've got to agree about the R18+ games needing to get in on the dummy head mic thing, if I haven't mentioned it already. I really wonder if a difference in microphone would influence production costs so much? I remember listening to seiyuu free talks that dummy head mics take a lot more effort to record with (naturally). Perhaps that means the sound would end up having to be implemented into the game differently... STILL WANT IT TO HAPPEN.

Ah, please don't do that. Y-you're attracting too much attention Laramie-san!

I haven't seen all of the CGs yet, obviously, but Alice's skirt is so... puffy! Ahaha, I'm a little jealous my drawings can't be as cute as the ones in Trick or Alice. You know what else is a Hiyo thing? Rape. Little touches like that do add to the overall game play and this game certainly has plenty of little details.

Well, with the smooth interface of Trick or Alice I guess they listened and totally made up for the bad patch work. Little Cheese only has two games then, I guess future games will also have nice touches to them. Hopefully the continue to improve and we can have some quality R18 games. If they're still active, I'll be sad if they're not...

You say Kuro-kin has haraguro... hmm. Ahh, Yes! Yura. <3 I've adored her art ever since I saw it in LD1. It's so unique and pretty. I'm tempted to play this game now but the glitches sound really distracting. :I

I think not many people have picked up on dummy head mics because they're expensive? I don't know much about how Japan does voice recording but I'm assuming they will have more than one voice actor on more than one microphone, so assuming dummy head mics are ridiculously expensive, and the company could only afford one it would slow down game production... You know what I don't actually know. That's a lame excuse.

Though I have noticed when recording with dummy head mics the way it blends with background music is different than it would be with just a normal microphone.

Oh yes, rape is a very "Hiyo" thing. At least she's somewhat trying to break the mould in Trick or Alice.

Yup, haraguro. I LOVE haraguro. The nicer the guy that becomes haraguro, the better~
You know, BL gets a lot of flack for being "plotless", but I thought Luckydog1 was excellent!

Anyway, moving on... the bugs aren't as frequent as I made it sound (sorry about my wording before), as long as you patch the game, which is super easy to do. After that, it only very rarely crashes (mine crashed twice during my entire playtime until 100% completion. Yes, I'm one of those 100% completion people. 99% is the most horrible percentage EVER.)

Oh yes, the dummy head mic is exxy at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Eep! :shock: I'm also inclined to think they'd have more than just the one mic. I remember in the Diabolik Lovers drama CD seiyuu free talk, some of the actors (I think Kaji Yuuki, as an example) mentioned having finished recording quite some time before the free talk. It could be that one had more lines than the other, but barring that fact... It could mean that there are limited mics and only a certain amount of actors could record at a time, or simply since they're all popular, they had multiple scheduling conflicts and Kaji Yuuki happened to be the least delayed. Who really knows?

But my point remains: I agree and highly doubt that they'd have just the one mic.

Eh-heh-heh, I've always had a weakness for some ~adult~ content in my Otome games, but I've yet to play an H game all the way through. Most of them seem to require this strange green substance to get past the trial... and I'm a little broke. Hoooowwever, it appears I'm in just the right place for recommendations! I'll be sure to check out the games everyone's mentioning in this thread >3> thanks guys.

cielanne wrote:Well I only found one adult otome game in english where the heroïne were not rape and were there was actually what i will call love or romance. Name The second reproduction.
I'm not against adult otome but I believe that when your aim is to sell it to the female population, it shouldn't contain rape.
And I found it quite incomprehensible that the heroine forgive such an act!
That and in those game, the heroine tend to tap on my nerves ( too naïve, too much obrdient ...) . In the end I will say that the plot is not my cup of tea ( loving a rapist and all). Even though I don't mind dark elements or even gore (love horror and martial art genre manga, especially the one with th rabbit game and As The God of Death Dictates know also as KAMISAMA NO IUTOORI)

*Nods* Thank you, I agree wholeheartedly. I once loved my rapist, and let the Otome game-makers be reassured: That was not romantic. That was Stockholm's Syndrome. And it requires a ton of counseling.

*Proceeds to investigate the games mentioned* .w.

Laramie Castiel wrote:Oh yes, rape is a very "Hiyo" thing. At least she's somewhat trying to break the mould in Trick or Alice.

Yup, haraguro. I LOVE haraguro. The nicer the guy that becomes haraguro, the better~
You know, BL gets a lot of flack for being "plotless", but I thought Luckydog1 was excellent!

Anyway, moving on... the bugs aren't as frequent as I made it sound (sorry about my wording before), as long as you patch the game, which is super easy to do. After that, it only very rarely crashes (mine crashed twice during my entire playtime until 100% completion. Yes, I'm one of those 100% completion people. 99% is the most horrible percentage EVER.)

Oh yes, the dummy head mic is exxy at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Eep! :shock: I'm also inclined to think they'd have more than just the one mic. I remember in the Diabolik Lovers drama CD seiyuu free talk, some of the actors (I think Kaji Yuuki, as an example) mentioned having finished recording quite some time before the free talk. It could be that one had more lines than the other, but barring that fact... It could mean that there are limited mics and only a certain amount of actors could record at a time, or simply since they're all popular, they had multiple scheduling conflicts and Kaji Yuuki happened to be the least delayed. Who really knows?

But my point remains: I agree and highly doubt that they'd have just the one mic.

If rape was handled "realistically" or at least REASONABLY, then it
could probably make for an interesting darker story. But that's a really
tricky and touchy subject. Actually if we had an otome where the
H-scenes added to the development of the relationship I'd be happy
enough.

Haraguro is something I'd like to see more of, the otome community is severely lacking in good haraguro and kuudere characters. Lucky Dog 1 was probably one of the reasons I started playing more Visual Novels. I freaking love that game, it was in no way PWP. Though the other BL games Hiyo has worked on, yeah, those would be guilty of PWP.

There was that one older R18 game Step...
something, where the characters used condoms. \(^_^)/ Actually that game
was pretty funny. Actually, speaking of this game, it had quite a few
CGs. I'm another one of those 100% completionists(?) The only percentage worse than 99% is 98%. >:C

Holy-- That is expensive. I'm sure getting a whole studio of them is a ridiculous expectation. As far as I know, Rejet is a fairly new company and they've been using Dummy Head mics since the beginning, so... About the amout of recording actors, Diabolik Lovers did have those live radio skits where two of the voice actors simultaneously used one side of what I'm assuming is the same dummy head microphone. In the end it probably has something to do with overall cost.

3animefancat3 wrote:Hoooowwever,
it appears I'm in just the right place for recommendations! I'll be sure
to check out the games everyone's mentioning in this thread >3>
thanks guys.

Well, I wouldn't recommend every game we have mentioned. So make sure to look into games before you buy 'em~.

me *slowly raising hand and blushes*

I played some R-18 otome, and my favorites are Chou no Doku and Koezaru. Close to those are Persona A ~Opera za no Kaijin, and maybe Gin no Kanmuri Ao no Namida (I will avoid Reiji route though.. ugh). I will play almost any game, even though there's force/rape route... I am pretty much immune to these unfortunately T_T.

Chou no Doku has an interesting plot, beautiful art and I must say I like all of the main characters in this game. Some of the bad endings are quite dark, though.

Koezaru wa Akai Hana is also good, I'm currently in the middle of playing it and so far so good. You can see the feelings/romance developed between the characters before the エロ-scene.. it doesn't feel rushed like some R-18 games. I would probably will recommend this more over Chou no Doku.

yeah i do enjoy eroge otome and normal

but it has to be a love story not rape or anything like that

something that actually warms my heart a little ^^

I'm okay with playing R-18 otome games, but I agree with you guys that's there too much rape in it compared to eroge, c'mon how about some nice consensual sex?

There used to be a list of R18+ otome games I've played and some info on them here, but thanks to vocaotome's suggestion, I've moved it to my first post. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Sorry for any inconvenience caused!

Thank for the list Laramie!Let's see, I got my eyes on:PersonA ~Opera Za no Kaijin~,Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari and Trick or Alice.Unfortunately for me,I'll have to wait for somebody to translate them one day (*￣m￣).[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

3animefancat3 wrote:Most of them seem to require this strange green substance to get past the trial... and I'm a little broke.

I once loved my rapist, and let the Otome game-makers be reassured: That
was not romantic. That was Stockholm's Syndrome. And it requires a ton
of counseling.

Yeah... regular edition PC games cost at (the very) least AUD$15 more than a regular edition PSP game, and for a lot of young ladies with a ton of other things to spend the dough on, it makes a difference. I do consider myself an avid otome game fan, but I suppose I'm not a big enough fan to buy limited editions. I often don't see the freebies to be worth it. In the last three years I think I bought just one limited edition VN. The regular editions of Sakuragatari and Tiny x Machinegun is gonna be almost 8,200 yen! I realise the poor state the VN industry is in, but still... it's a vicious cycle.

I do agree with the Stockholm syndrome assessment, but only if they were kidnapped. For the most part, I would classify the protagonist's behaviour to show patterns of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Sorry, I take interest in psychology so I wanted to show the distinction between the two. Not meaning to be nasty. Of course, I don't think the writers really think about things so clinically, and they're just being lazy potatoes with the protagonist.

Topaztan wrote:If rape was handled "realistically" or at least REASONABLY, then it
could probably make for an interesting darker story. But that's a really tricky and touchy subject. Actually if we had an otome where the H-scenes added to the development of the relationship I'd be happy enough.

I agree with this, too. Again, using Black Wolves Saga as an example, although that's not an R18+ game and has no rape, how they handled Fiona's psychological responses clearly had thought put into it. They didn't fetishise/sexualise the abuse Fiona endured from the cat princes. Yes, there must have been plenty of readers that might have got their jollies from it, but Fiona certainly didn't. Well... I don't want to get into too much detail about the specifics of exceptions and other endings. Another game that did a good job in terms of handling rape was Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari. In fact, that lead into my favourite ending.

The only game I can think of where all of the routes had sex scenes with pure love would be Step -Futari no Kankei wa Ippo Zutsu-. Since that game has no rape. Especially in Kitou Masaru's route, I truly saw the emotional gap between him and Minori shorten during their intimate scenes. Maybe I'm biased, because I enjoyed his route the most, IDK.

Topaztan wrote:Haraguro is something I'd like to see more of, the otome community is
severely lacking in good haraguro and kuudere characters. Lucky Dog 1
was probably one of the reasons I started playing more Visual Novels. I
freaking love that game, it was in no way PWP. Though the other BL games
Hiyo has worked on, yeah, those would be guilty of PWP.

Haraguro is excellent; I certianly love it. It does seem to get confused with yandere a lot amongst anime/manga/vn fans, haha. I've seen some mild examples of haraguro in a couple of R18+ otome games, but they were poorly executed. It's treated like a warning sign a rapist-character would hold. Yeah, Luckydog1 is a great game. BL tends to go either way. If you liked Luckydog1, play [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Great game! It certainly helps that Mukuro's seiyuu, Iida Toshinobu, voiced the protagonist! *Shivers*

Topaztan wrote:There was that one older R18 game Step... something, where the characters used condoms. \(^_^)/ Actually that game was pretty funny. Actually, speaking of this game, it had quite a few CGs. I'm another one of those 100% completionists(?) The only percentage worse than 99% is 98%. >:C

Not to sound like a smart-arse, and sorry if I do, but it's "completist". Again, sorry if I sounded like a jackass.

Yeah, good on Step for promoting safe sex! Yes, in the hentai world, you only get pregnant if a), you want a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ending, or b), to create angst themes due to an unwanted pregnancy. I'm sure most people who play R18+ otome games are at least old enough to understand the importance of contraception, but still! I enjoyed Step, even though basic settings tend to not appeal to me.

Bu-Bu-San wrote:something that actually warms my heart a little ^^

Yeah, that's where it's at. At least, for the sex scenes that are meant to be between two parties in love. I like my dark themes, I like my Do-S characters, but seeing rape being used as a shameless plot device is understandably offensive. My studies involved me meeting rape victims, and trust me, they didn't "secretly" want it. /ends before I derail.

The_Cat_Lady wrote:Thank for the list Laramie!Let's see, I got my eyes on:PersonA ~Opera Za no Kaijin~,Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari and Trick or Alice.Unfortunately
for me,I'll have to wait for somebody to translate them one day (*￣m￣).

No worries! It's good to know that I helped.
I know that there is a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] going for PersonA. Kondou Takashi's voice made me melt in that game! :oops:

Laramie Castiel wrote:
No worries! It's good to know that I helped.
I know that there is a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] going for PersonA. Kondou Takashi's voice made me melt in that game! :oops:

Thanks for the link!I'm going to keep an eye on their progress .