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Post by cielanne on 19/04/13, 12:19 am

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Laramie Castiel wrote:
spicy_diamond wrote:I knew the gist of the Phantom storyline before playing the game, then I
wound up watching the Andrew Llyod Weber musical rendition after and,
honestly, there are some really good points in PersonA that made me like
it better than the musical. (Which is a just, wee bit sad in the
name of classical literature but *shrugs*) The biggest thing I noticed
in PersonA was that it glossed over bits with the Phantom because...

...And... watching the musical, I could totally see why Mirai Soft chose
the yandere route for
Spoiler:
Raoul
. Yeeeah, there may not have been a French
trope for it, but he certainly fit the bill. It was just a tad less
extreme than lengths PersonA draws it out to.
This is the first time I've heard such an in-depth opinion from somebody who's had exposure to the book/play, so this is very interesting.

As for the yandere not being a trope in France, I think only Japan has actually given the archetype a "proper name". I have heard many say "Borderline personality disorder" is the best equivalent translation, but BPD episodes aren't necessarily "triggered" by romantic relations alone- thus, it's an inaccurate "translation". Yandere themes have apparently existed for many, many years before the term "yandere" was created. For example, the entire focus of the book/movie/play, "

I'm French and I'm currently living in France. But I don't really understand what you mean by yandere not being a trope in my country. So can you explain it ( what does yandere really mean?). If you do I might be able to agree or desagree with you.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 19/04/13, 12:47 am

cielanne wrote:I'm French and I'm currently living in France. But I don't really
understand what you mean by yandere not being a trope in my country. So
can you explain it ( what does yandere really mean?). If you do I might
be able to agree or desagree with you.
Yandere
A yandere character is a character that appears to be loving and sweet, but hides a crazily obsessive and/or possessive nature. When they admire or love somebody (a friend or love interest, but usually the latter), their love for them becomes so strong that it becomes psychotically destructive.

There are two main types of yandere, but a yandere can be both of these:

Obsessive: They get completely obsessed with the love interest, to mentally unstable degrees. Obsessive yanderes tend to stalk their love interests for every little information about them they can get. They also can go to extreme lengths to "get rid of the competition", which often results in violence.

Possessive: This type of yandere is so in love with their love interest, that they become insanely possessive, and in extreme cases, totally unwilling to allow their interest to spend time with others. Possessive yandere do stalk as well, but usually to keep tabs on their love interests. This type of yandere commonly end up imprisoning their love interests. In more violent endings, they kill their love to prevent others from "taking them away".

I think what spicy_diamond was trying to say was that there is no French equivalent word for "yandere." I wouldn't know if that's true, seeing as I don't know any French.

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Post by Topaztan on 19/04/13, 07:35 pm

Laramie has really said and explained it all, I don't think there is much more to be said about rape in Japan or what Yandere is.... I mean there's not much more to it than that! xD

A++ for the quality posts though, they're really informative and well done. I'd be stunned, but I already knew you were pretty amazing. *swoon*

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Post by cielanne on 19/04/13, 07:53 pm

Laramie Castiel wrote:
cielanne wrote:I'm French and I'm currently living in France. But I don't really
understand what you mean by yandere not being a trope in my country. So
can you explain it ( what does yandere really mean?). If you do I might
be able to agree or desagree with you.
Yandere
A yandere character is a character that appears to be loving and sweet, but hides a crazily obsessive and/or possessive nature. When they admire or love somebody (a friend or love interest, but usually the latter), their love for them becomes so strong that it becomes psychotically destructive.

There are two main types of yandere, but a yandere can be both of these:

Obsessive: They get completely obsessed with the love interest, to mentally unstable degrees. Obsessive yanderes tend to stalk their love interests for every little information about them they can get. They also can go to extreme lengths to "get rid of the competition", which often results in violence.

Possessive: This type of yandere is so in love with their love interest, that they become insanely possessive, and in extreme cases, totally unwilling to allow their interest to spend time with others. Possessive yandere do stalk as well, but usually to keep tabs on their love interests. This type of yandere commonly end up imprisoning their love interests. In more violent endings, they kill their love to prevent others from "taking them away".

I think what spicy_diamond was trying to say was that there is no French equivalent word for "yandere." I wouldn't know if that's true, seeing as I don't know any French.
I don't think there is specific terms for designing a yandere. Otome games are not well known here. But there is one or more in psychologie to evoque a real yandere person. I will ask my friend if he known what it is. But if I was to give you some terms which would qualify such a person that would be : a split personnality ( un dédoublement de la personnalité), obessesive lover (amoureuse obsedé) et psychotique. I think it is somehow alike to schizophrénie in psychology ( schizophrenia in english).

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Post by Loren Leah on 19/04/13, 11:08 pm

oh gosh, thank you for the game listing. That's really super helpful. It's always such a minefield trying to figure out which R-18 games might be not gross.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 20/04/13, 01:11 am

Topaztan wrote:A++ for the quality posts though, they're really informative and well
done. I'd be stunned, but I already knew you were pretty amazing.
*swoon*
Thanks, Topaz! :oops: I I love you you too!

cielanne wrote:I don't think there is specific terms for designing a yandere. Otome
games are not well known here. But there is one or more in psychologie
to evoque a real yandere person. I will ask my friend if he known what
it is. But if I was to give you some terms which would qualify such a
person that would be : a split personnality ( un dédoublement de la
personnalité), obessesive lover (amoureuse obsedé) et psychotique. I
think it is somehow alike to schizophrénie in psychology (
schizophrenia in english).
From what I understand, violent yandere behavioural patterns resemble Borderline personality disorder. It's pretty interesting how closely some English terms resemble French words.

Loren Leah wrote:oh gosh, thank you for the game listing. That's really super helpful.
It's always such a minefield trying to figure out which R-18 games might
be not gross.
No worries! smile I'm also checking on VNDb for other R18+ otome games to make the list more complete. Even with the ones I haven't played, I can ask around and check out info based on tags. It's not a lot of trouble to me, since there aren't that many R18+ otome-ge out there.

EDIT: Finished the expanded list. Still on the first page of this thread!

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Post by vocaotome on 21/04/13, 01:30 pm

Great job on the expanded list, Laramie Castiel! That looks like something that warranted a great deal of time... That reminds me, I did play Tsubasa no Oka no Hime, but completely forgot about it because the storyline was so disappointing. It's a shame, really. The art is wonderful, the voice actors did a good job, the basic idea had potential-but it never went anywhere. Hell, it felt like an eroge with multiple male protagonists and one female love interest...Vivian is an interesting character but I couldn't understand anything about her even at the end. I love sexually confident female characters, but she crosses the thin line between adventurous and deviant imo. And yeah there is reverse rape =_= This is the first time I've ever seen a character voiced by Yusa Kouji being the victim and not the aggressor when it comes to rape. lololol

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 21/04/13, 06:46 pm

Thanks, vocaotome! LOL, Yusa Kouji being the victim? No wonder the world was supposedly gonna end a couple of times over the years. I heard about how Vivian is not the standard R18+ otome protagonist so I was interested, but then when I also heard that it's practically a nukige and its plot is disappointing, I decided to not play it. Maybe I'll play it when I have nothing else to play.

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Post by KawaiiMess on 22/04/13, 06:53 am

So my friend is currently playing through Hakada Shitsuji, and while that is in no way an otome game (Main character's male, all your romance options are male, THIS IS A BL GAME), its a surprisingly good one?

It knows what it is, it subverts and plays with sterotypes found in BL and VNs, the main character is probably the most relateable and likeable of all MCs ive seen, and it actually manages to appropriately tackle BDSM in better ways than other media has.

I might as well mention that it's a porno game too so if you're looking for a lovey-dovey romance game full of fluff and rainbows this isn't really it.

Also it's hi-larious.

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I'd like to see an otome game like this sometime, haha!

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Post by spicy_diamond on 22/04/13, 07:25 am

KawaiiMess wrote:So my friend is currently playing through Hakada Shitsuji, and while that is in no way an otome game (Main character's male, all your romance options are male, THIS IS A BL GAME), its a surprisingly good one?

It knows what it is, it subverts and plays with sterotypes found in BL and VNs, the main character is probably the most relateable and likeable of all MCs ive seen, and it actually manages to appropriately tackle BDSM in better ways than other media has.

I might as well mention that it's a porno game too so if you're looking for a lovey-dovey romance game full of fluff and rainbows this isn't really it.

Also it's hi-larious.

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I'd like to see an otome game like this sometime, haha!
That is absolutely priceless.

Sumire no Tsubomi had some good moments, particularly on the first (almost entirely not 18+) arc of the game that had some that had me giggling. (The heroine has a habit of sewing her younger brother ridiculous clothes among other things... XD) But you don't see much comedy often it seems.

Gets in the way of the smex.

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Post by Makise Sunao on 22/04/13, 07:56 am

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lolwhut lol I'm more than willing to drop my current plays for this XD
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Post by Laramie Castiel on 22/04/13, 08:27 am

My God, that's the funniest thing I've read all week! ='D

I heard Hadaka Shitsuji is... "experimental" with their sex scenes, amongst other things. Will definitely try it.

The otome game version:

"What shitty timing, it's like a fountain in my panties... fuck you too, vagina!"

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Post by KawaiiMess on 22/04/13, 09:15 am

It's a game for those of you do-s peeps out there, for sure.

The otome game version:

"What shitty timing, it's like a fountain in my panties... fuck you too, vagina!"

this thread is over shut it down Laramie has won it

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Post by Topaztan on 23/04/13, 01:41 pm

KawaiiMess wrote:

The otome game version:

"What shitty timing, it's like a fountain in my panties... fuck you too, vagina!"

this thread is over shut it down Laramie has won it

I am so done. 900% finished.

*slyly adds Hadaka Shitsuji to backlog*

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 24/04/13, 04:50 am

I checked it out s'more on VNDb (NSFW!), and immaturely couldn't stop laughing. I knew I've still got lots more maturing to do, but srsly... I laughed out loud for about five seconds when I saw the image gallery. I have found some nukige to be amusing in a non-sexual way, like "Toki wo Kakeru Shojo" (The Virgin Who Leapt Through Time). Maybe I'm a badly damaged human being.

I just imagined Tsukiko saying, "What shitty timing, it's like a fountain in my panties... fuck you too, vagina!"

Man, she would make it sound so cute. I dare her to say it in front of Kanata or Miyaji-kun. Oh ho ho~ Just their expressions would be worth the price of admission alone!


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Post by KawaiiMess on 24/04/13, 12:31 pm

I really would like to see a BDSM/Do-S otome game where the MC is in charge for once.

Just sayin'.

More bara couldn't hurt either!

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Post by Diedie on 25/04/13, 07:00 am

I have a quick question, and my deepest apologies if this has already been answered or said (I plan on going back and reading the rest of everyone's post when I get a bit more time xD)

Anyhoo,

do they make 18+ otome games for the PSP or is it only PC?
I'd love to try my hand at one, and buying PSP games is a lot easier for me.

(Honestly I'd prolly have to "acquire" one of the PC games, but I'm always so nervous about getting large files like that online e-e And I like to support companies when I can :3 )

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Post by Loren Leah on 25/04/13, 07:15 am

No, porn on consoles basically doesn't exist and probably never will. I'm afraid you can only get R-18 games on PC. There are some PSP games that get quite suggestive, but basically nothing goes higher than like a PG-13 (in American ratings).

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Post by Diedie on 25/04/13, 09:12 am

Loren Leah wrote:No, porn on consoles basically doesn't exist and probably never will. I'm afraid you can only get R-18 games on PC. There are some PSP games that get quite suggestive, but basically nothing goes higher than like a PG-13 (in American ratings).

Thanks for the quick reply!
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Post by KuroiYuki on 26/04/13, 09:35 am

Have these been patched already? >.< Oh and can someone give a site where to DL most of them?

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 26/04/13, 09:59 am

Patched? I'm sorry, but I don't follow. =S Do you mean if any of these R18+ games are in English? The only one that I know that is in English would be "The Nettestadt Troll", and I don't know what it's like at all.

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Laramie Castiel wrote:Patched? I'm sorry, but I don't follow. =S Do you mean if any of these R18+ games are in English? The only one that I know that is in English would be "The Nettestadt Troll", and I don't know what it's like at all.

It's...okay, I guess. Amateur level art, short and slightly illogical but yet somewhat amusing storyline, sex scenes with epic purple prose that definitely was put there on purpose. There are only a couple CGs...I think only the good end sex scenes had them.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 27/04/13, 02:10 am

^Ah, thanks vocaotome! Hm... doesn't sound like anything I'd be picking up any time soon. LOL, for a moment, I thought you meant that the text goes purple during a sex scene, until I remembered the phrase, "purple prose".

Every time I edit my list and re-read the entries, it just reminds me of how much of a niche market the R18+ otome games are in. There's very little to choose from.

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Post by spicy_diamond on 28/04/13, 10:11 pm

I had heard that there is an attempt to patch PersonA going on... But, considering how long the game is. I wouldn't hold my breath.

On the bright side, on PC means that it's easier to set up Atlas/agth or whatever your preferred text hookers are.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 29/04/13, 02:43 am

^ Yes, there is a translation project for PersonA, and the translator(s) estimated that they're about roughly 1/4 done. The details are here.

Once at least one of my other translation projects are completed, I was thinking of asking them if they needed a hand. Mirai games are loooong, like, ridiculously long. They're the ones that make me go insane from trying to get 100% completion!

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