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Post by Laramie Castiel on 16/04/13, 09:44 pm

LIST OF R18+ OTOME GAMES

It seems like we have had a few recommendation requests, so I thought it might help others if I posted all of the R18+ otome games I know of, and leave information that can help you choose which you're interested in. This list will also be helpful to those that don't know where to start. More specifically, some wanted to know which has rape, and which doesn't. Fan games, fandiscs and sequels will not be included on this list. I tried to make the information as neutral as possible, so as to not create a bias for or against any game.

My information is from the Visual Novel Database (VNDb), and whatever sources I can find and trust. Unfortunately, since VNDb is a database that relies on user edits, it's not always correct and may be missing some information. The titles I have played or I know somebody else on this site has played will be indicated with a "[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]" next it. This basically means that you can place a lot of faith in the information being accurate.

If you have played a game and would like to add/correct some info, please let me know so I can edit this list. Especially the titles where I couldn't find ANY info on!

On a side note, nearly all of the cast use aliases, but for the sake of recognition, I used their main names. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].


A~M Games
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* Ai no Uta [Doujin]
Rape? ?
Dark? No. According to the reviews, it doesn't seem this way.
Cast: Not voiced.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Akazukin to Mayoi no Mori:
Rape?
Unavoidable to get the good endings.
Dark? Yes.
Cast: Hatano Wataru, Konishi Katsuyuki, Maeno Tomoaki, Takahashi Hiroki, Taniyama Kishou, Terashima Takuma, Yusa Kouji.

* Butlers ~Meshimase Ojou-sama~
Rape? In the first game, no. In the fandisc, there is.
Dark? No.
Cast: Ichijou Kazuya, Kakihara Tetsuya, Katsu Anri, Midorikawa Hikaru, Shimono Hiro.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Brothers ~Koisuru Onii-sama~
Rape? Avoidable. Beware of the fandisc if you hate rape- especially the unavoidable variety!
Dark? Can be, but mostly just slice-of-life drama.
Cast: Ichijou Kazuya, Kawada Shinji, Koyasu Takehito, Taniyama Kishou, Tsuboi Tomohiro.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari
Rape? Only avoidable.
Dark? Yes.
Cast: Hirakawa Daisuke, Katou Masayuki, Katsuki Masako, Kondou Takashi, Majima Junji, Yasumoto Hiroki.

* CRAZY★RABBITS Wakaresasegyou no Usagigiri Jimusho
Rape? Yes
Dark? Unsure.
Cast: Akimoto Miyuu, Hosoya Yoshimasa, Ichiki Mitsuhiro, Kisama Ippatsu, Miei, Ookawa Tooru, Katou Masayuki, Katsu Anri, Sakura Saku, Sasanuma Akira, Serisawarin, Shinomiya Gou, Shizuki Sumito, Yonaga Tsubasa.

* Dessert Love -Kare to no Hajimari-
Rape? None.
Dark? No.
Cast: Inoue Kazuhiko, Morikawa Toshiyuki, Oohata Shintarou, Sasanuma Akira, Sugita Tomokazu, Toriumi Kousuke.

* Dragon Penance ~Tatsu Shu Enbu~
Rape? ?
Dark? ?
Cast: ?

* Eternal Wish [Doujin]

Rape? ?
Dark? It deals with alchemy and curses, so it's likely to be.
Cast: Aisaka Riku, Hashimoto Kyou, Kanzaki Tomoya, Sakato.

* Gin no Kanmuri Ao no Namida
Rape? Not 100% sure, but from what I've been reading, no.
Dark? Most likely, given the subject matter.
Cast: Horiuchi Kenyuu, Maeno Tomoaki, Morikawa Toshiyuki, Suwabe Jun'ichi, Suzuki Tatsuhisa.

* Hoshi no Oujo
Rape? Yes.
Dark? No.
Cast: Chiba Susumu, Hiramatsu Hirokazu, Ichijou Kazuya, Inoue Kazuhiko, Ishikawa Hideo, Konishi Katsuyuki, Takagi Motoki.

* Ijiwaru MyMaster
Rape? YES.
Dark? Somewhat
Cast: Hamada Kenji, Hirakawa Daisuke, Kishio Daisuke, Ono Daisuke, Ookawa Tooru, Terashima Takuma.

* Izanai
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Unsure, but leaning towards no.
Cast: Higure Souta, Hisagi, Kanzaki Tomoya, Sakato, Sakurai Kazuma, Takihara Minato.

* Jingi Naki Otome
Rape? Yes, but not on all routes.
Dark? No.
Cast: Fujiwara Keiji, Kishio Daisuke, Nakamura Yuuichi, Misono Yukihiro, Narita Ken, Toriumi Kousuke, Yoshino Hiroyuki.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Jooubachi no Oubou (Menou-hen) the love interests are Hakuou, Ruby and Takanemaru.)
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Has some dark moments. The bad endings in particular, though they're definitely avoidable.
Cast: Eguchi Takuya, Hirakawa Daisuke, Kakihara Tetsuya, Kawada Shinji, Shiraishi Minoru, Takahashi Hiroki.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Jo'oubachi no Oubou (Kaguya-hen) (the love interests are Utsuro, Rin and Sumeragi.)
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Has some dark moments, slightly more than Menou-hen. The bad endings in particular, though they're definitely avoidable.
Cast: Eguchi Takuya, Hirakawa Daisuke, Kakihara Tetsuya, Kawada Shinji, Shiraishi Minoru, Takahashi Hiroki.

* Kimi ga Tame, Koishi Midareshi Tsuki no Hana
Rape? ?
Dark? Unsure, but because it has a murder-mystery theme, it could be.
Cast: Hanakiri Shou (?), Hatano Wataru, Majima Junji, Miki Shin'ichirou, Narita Ken, Ono Yuuki.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Koezaru wa Akai Hana (Credit to vocaotome for these details. Thank you!)
Rape? Avoidable, present only in certain routes' bad ends. (Also you have to actively try to get them, there shouldn't be any surprise rape. Suren's 1st scene shouldn't count as rape since there was consent.)
Dark? Not really, it has some focus on politics and such but other than the rape scenes.
Cast: Miyashita Eiji, Nakazawa Masatomo, Odagiri Hyouma, Sugiyama Noriaki, Suzuki Chihiro, Tachibana Shinnosuke.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi.
Rape? Only avoidable.
Dark? YES. This game was marketed towards yandere and haraguro lovers, after all!
Cast: Hino Satoshi, Hirakawa Daisuke, Mizushima Takahiro, Toriumi Kousuke.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Love☆Drops ~Miracle Doukyo Monogatari~
Rape? Avoid Cifer and you should be fine. Cifer is a "hidden" character, and is nigh impossible to encounter without a guide, so you should be able to avoid him easily.
Dark? Again, avoid Cifer if you don't like dark stuff.
Cast: Fujita Yoshinori, Konishi Katsuyuki, Hagi Michihiko, Suzuki Chihiro, Suzumura Ken'ichi, Taniyama Kishou, Toriumi Kousuke.

* Memories
Rape? Bad endings may have rape. Unsure about rest.
Dark? No.
Cast: Abe Atsushi, Kakehashi Atsushi, Narita Ken, Toriumi Kousuke, Yonaga Tsubasa.

N~Z Games
Spoiler:

* The Nettestadt Troll [Doujin]

Rape? Unavoidable.
Dark? Unsure, but the plot seems like it's on the darker side of things.
Cast: Not voiced.

* ONEDARI ShareMate
Rape? ?
Dark? The setting seems pretty slice-of-life and normal, so I doubt it.
Cast: Ichijou Kazuya, Itou Kentarou, Kakihara Tetsuya, Kondou Takashi, Nakazawa Masatomo, Satou Takuya.

* Oukyuu Yasoukyoku
Rape? Unsure. I have played this company's other game before, and it did have one route with unavoidable rape. Given than there are many love interests, it would be likely that at least one of them would be the "token rapist".
Dark? Subject matter seems a bit heavy, but probably not dark.
Cast: Kamiya Hiroshi, Kaneko Hidehiko, Kisaichi Atsushi, Matsu Takeo, Matsuyama Takashi, Miura Hiroaki, Miyake Jun'ichi, Okamoto Hiroshi, Takemoto Eiji.

* Ouma no Mori ~Inouja no Gakuen~
Rape? ?
Dark? ?
Cast: ?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] PersonA ~Opera Za no Kaijin~ [Translation project underway! Details are here.]
Rape? Unavoidable, but not on all routes.
Dark? Sort of, but comapred to titles like Akazukin and Kuro-Kin, not so much.
Cast: Kondou Takashi, Kishio Daisuke, Narita Ken, Maeno Tomoaki, Toriumi Kousuke.

* Pretty☆Witch☆Academy!
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Unsure.
Cast: Abe Atsushi, Hino Satoshi, Hoshino Takanori, Kondou Takashi, Morikawa Toshiyuki, Suzuki Chihiro, Toriumi Kousuke, Yonaga Tsubasa.

* Pretty flap ~Chocolate Taste~ series
Rape? ?
Dark? No.
Cast: Chiba Susumu, Itou Kentarou, Kishio Daisuke, Miki Shin'ichirou, Morikawa Toshiyuki, Mutsuki Tooka.

* Purelover Flavor ~Hajimari no Basho~
Rape? Unsure.
Dark? Probably not, from what I've read about its premise.
Cast: Amagi Daichi, Ishikawa Hideo, Takahashi Hiroki, Taniyama Kishou, Ueda Yuuji.

* Queen of Darkness [Doujin]
Rape? Only avoidable.
Dark? Unsure. Premise and subject matter seems to be leaning on the darker side, though.
Cast: The game is partially voiced. Cannot find any information on the cast list.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Riddle Garden
Rape? In the "dark" route of one character it is. Otherwise, you should be fine.
Dark? A bit, but no darker than your average mystery story.
Cast: Ishii Kazutaka, Kondou Takashi, Ookawa Tooru, Sugita Tomokazu, Suzuki Tatsuhisa, Takashi Hiroki.

* Royals ~Itoshi no Ouji-sama~
Rape? Yes. Unsure how much of it and where, though.
Dark? No.
Cast: Ichijou Kazuya, Ishii Kazutaka, Kakihara Tetsuya, Miki Shin'ichirou, Yonaga Tsubasa.

Star Pink Sakuragatari
Rape? Only in the bad ends, and they're all avoidable. They're also brief.
Dark? Fairly. I'd classify this as an utsuge.
Cast: Ichiki Mitsuhiro, Minobe Satoru, Nishino Masato, Ousaka Ryouta, Sugiyama Noriaki.

* Sanzen Sekai Yuugi ~MultiUniverse Myself~
Rape? ?
Dark? ?
Cast: Higuchi Tomoyuki, Kawahara Yoshihisa, Koyasu Takehito, Nakajima Saki, Oda Hisafumi.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Step -Futari no Kankei wa Ippo zutsu-
I recommend this title to those who wants to try out an R18+ otome game for the first time.
Rape? None!
Dark? Not at all.
Cast: Akai Tsuyoshi, Ichijou Kazuya, Ono Daisuke.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Sumire no Tsubomi
Another relatively "tame" title. I'd recommend it for first-timers.
Note: Info takes the fandisc in consideration as well.
Rape? Avoidable, and not present on all routes.
Dark? No.
Cast: Chiba Susumu, Hirakawa Daisuke, Kondou Takashi, Konno Aya, Mizushima Takahiro, Tachibana Shinnosuke, Toriumi Kousuke.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Toiro Komachi ~Kurenai ni Somaru no Toki Made~
Good for first timers, also.
Rape? Aside from the one route with unavoidable rape, the rest are rape-free.
Dark? No.
Cast: Hamada Kenji, Kaneko Hidehiko, Kishio Daisuke, Suganuma Hisayoshi, Takemoto Eiji, Tanaka Hirofumi.

* Toki-Hako -Time Capsule-
Rape? Unsure, but most likely no.
Dark? No.
Cast: Not voiced.

* Torikago no Marriage
Rape? Not certain, but it is a game directed by Hiyo, so it's quite likely.
Dark? ?
Cast: Hatano Wataru, Kawada Shinji, Kawahara Yoshihisa, Kinoshita Hiroyuki, Majima Junji, Ogura Yui.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Trick or Alice
Rape? Yes, but if memory serves, it's only in one route.
Dark?: It really depends upon the route, but for the most part, I'd say it's dark-ish.
Cast: Tachibana Shinnosuke, Hino Satoshi (as both twins), Nojima Hirofumi, Kimura Ryouhei, Morikawa Toshiyuki, Sugiyama Noriaki.

* Tsubasa no Oka no Hime: A red and blue moon -finite loop-
Rape? Not certain... I heard there is "reverse rape".
Dark? Unsure.
Cast: Narita Ken, Satou Takuya, Shimaka Yuu, Shiraishi Minoru, Yusa Kouji.

* Tsuki no Hikari Taiyou no Kage
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Not as much as some other titles, but it's on the darker side.
Cast: Hamada Kenji, Hatano Wataru, Kishio Daisuke, Masutani Yasunori, Naruse Makoto.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Tsundere★S Otome -Sweet Sweet Sweet-
(I did not make this title up!)
Rape? Avoidable, and not present for every route.
Dark? No.
Cast: Miyashita Eiji, Suzuki Chihiro, Tachibana Shinnosuke, Kishio Daisuke, Inoue Kazuhiko, Hino Satoshi.

* Under the Moon
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Unsure, but its themes would likely make this a dark game.
Cast: Chiba Susumu, Hagi Michihiko, Hamada Kenji, Kishio Daisuke, Taniyama Kishou, Yusa Kouji.

* Utahime to Ou-sama [Doujin]

Rape? ?
Dark? ?
Cast: Not voiced.

* Vampire Sweetie
Rape? No.
Dark? Unsure.
Cast: Kaji Yuuki, Maeno Tomoaki, Mizushima Takahiro, Tomonaga Akane, Toomi Haruka, Toriumi Kousuke, Yonaga Tsubasa.

* Yume wo Mou Ichido
Rape? Yes.
Dark? Unsure.
Cast: Fukuyama Jun, Inoue Kazuhiko, Kinoshita Naoki, Kosugi Jurouta, Matsumoto Yasunori, Morikawa Toshiyuki, Suda Tatsuya, Takahashi Hiroki, Tottori Kikyuu.

It doesn't look like there's a lot of choice, simply because (compared to standard otome games, eroge, nukige, etc.) there isn't. Maybe two or three R18+ otome games are released a year?

UPCOMING RELEASES:

Summer 2014: Sachi no Tenbin

Winter 2014: Yandere Tengoku Affection ~BunnyCage~ (Planned to be released sometime in 2014.)
Winter 2014:
Yoshiwara Higanbana (Planned to be released sometime in 2014.)


Upcoming titles with unannounced release dates:

~ 4+1 [Doujin]

~ Anata wa Jinrou desu ka?
~ I Only Date Free! [Doujin fan-game of Free!]
~ Rourou Spica [Doujin]

*Credit to vocaotome for the idea to move my list to the first post. Also, thank you to the person who added "[Mature]" to the title of this topic. Much appreciated!


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Post by The_Cat_Lady on 16/04/13, 09:49 pm

I haven't played any,but it doesn't matter to me if they are "adult".As long as the story and characters are good, the game is good in my book.

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Post by Akuni on 16/04/13, 09:53 pm

Uhh well, idk I wouldn't play them ^//^

I tried playing through that Saya no Uta thingy, but the scenes in there :s kinda made me a bit uncomfortable....or it could be the story on a whole.

I guess things like that still make me feel a bit uncomfortable.

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Post by KawaiiMess on 16/04/13, 10:03 pm

Saya no Uta is hilarious. I wouldn't say it was an "adult" game (more of a ripoff of Lovecraftian themes) but I can see why some people might be put off by it.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 16/04/13, 10:17 pm

I agree with the Lovecraftian-ripoff sentiment, but I still enjoyed the game. It's not as great as some others out there (definitely overrated, IMO), but it was still a good read for a short piece. I think Saya no Uta would have been better without most of the sex scenes, despite being an eroge.

I'm not easily bothered/offended by "extreme" content, and even play some extreme games just to see how "extreme" it gets. The more someone tells me how gross or "crazy" a game is, the more I'm tempted to see just how much for myself.

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Post by vocaotome on 16/04/13, 10:28 pm

R18 otome games? Sure, I play them judging them by the same basis I use for all-ages otome games-good story, hot bishies, romance, humor etc. That being said, I haven't played a large number of R18 otoges, only 5 actually-Koezaru wa Akai Hana, Akazukin to Mayoi no Mori, Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi, Chou No Doku Hana no Kusari, PersonA ~Opera Za no Kaijin~. Because sadly very often the makers over-emphasize the "adult" parts (read:sex) and throw relationship development out of the window.Very often the makers turn a perfectly nice, normal character into a jerk with rapist just to fit hscenes early into the game which is really sad.

Also this genre is guilty of using rape/forced sex as plot point on the same level as hardcore yaoi manga, which makes me roll my eyes. The recent trend of yandere and possessive love is getting annoying. Since I often aim to complete games with all endings I see the bad endings which ruin the characters for me even during the good ending. For example, Phantom from the PersonA. I had been so scarred by his previous rapist tendencies in certain endings that I couldn't sympathize with him in his own route T.T Every time he said something sweet I thought “You’d rape me if I rejected your advances, right?” Neutral

Saya no Uta was...an interesting experience. Agree on the overuse of hscenes, what was with that 3P prisoner plot >.< It wasn't an otome game though....


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Post by Akuni on 16/04/13, 10:30 pm

Hmm, Adult games = Eroge right? Or do these have like different ratings? Like Mature to NC-17 or something.

I tried playing a BL eroge after not being able to stomach the anime...

:c it was...not my cup of tea. I hate when you can't avoid the disaster

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Post by vocaotome on 16/04/13, 10:36 pm

I believe this topic is about adult "otome games". So basically it's eroge for girls where there are hscenes between the heroine and her bishies. BL might be included if you count the yaoi fans, but not Bishoujo-ge for boys where they chase after pretty girls.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 16/04/13, 11:13 pm

Akuni wrote:...Or do these have like different ratings? Like Mature to NC-17 or something.
In Japan, the rating for R18+ otome games (as well as eroge, yaoi, nukige and R18+ yuri) is called "CERO Z". "CERO" stands for "Computer Entertainment Rating Organisation".

These are the ratings:
CERO...
A: All Ages
B: 12+
C: 15+
D: 17+
Z: 18+ ONLY


In reply to vocaotome's posts:

I've played all of the ones you mentioned aside from Koezaru wa Akai Hana. I hear Koezaru was much better than expected for a company's first game, and for R18+ otome in general. It's currently in my backlog. Anyway, "Operetta Due" is obviously related to "Operetta" (whom created "Diary" and "Noise -Voice of Snow-"). I wonder how they could afford to make an R18+ game when I'm to understand their previous two games didn't do too well? But anyway.

You must have had a field day with Akazukin to Mayoi no Mori, then- judging by what I read about what you dislike in R18+ otome. That game was a real shame, because the overarching plot seemed interesting enough and the art was gorgeous (if inconsistent), but was ruined by its crazy character 180s (ack]iler]don't get me started on Kitsune-san and Ookami-san[/spoiler]) and fondness for pointless shock value. I mean, Hiyo (writer of Ijiwaru My Master) wrote it, so what did we all expect? She just loves to drop the rape bomb, since Cifer from Love Drops.

While I just thought Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi. was merely "okay", to be fair, it did advertise itself as a much darker game, and that was its main attraction (as well as for the yandere lovers, even though most of its characters aren't the classical definition of a yandere). I'm not ashamed to admit that I enjoyed Chou no Doku. I thought it was good for what you typically find in R18+ otome.

As for PersonA, it was such a "meh" game to me. I didn't really care for it, but I liked most of the route where (
Spoiler:
Philip and Christine bond over their shared grief over Raoul's "death"
). Christine was a boring protagonist, IMO. God, I agree so much with your sentiments about Phantome! That's exactly right- his "excuse" was really weak. Even if it were understandable, the tediousness it took to get to his true ending already put me off, since I don't use walkthroughs until I'm absolutely stumped. Yes, stories have more impact when the "excuse" is revealed later rather than sooner, but it takes skill which these writers don't seem to have. Plus I'm sure a majority of Western readers won't excuse rape even if Phantome were to have a well-written "excuse". I can only imagine The Phantom of the Opera fans' disappointment.

As terrible as I sound, I've accepted that rape is a part of R18+ otome games. Fictional rape is a completely different ball game from real life rape, and I disagree with some people's views that it instills rape fantasies into its readers. The psychology behind rape fantasies is not the topic here, so I won't go on. The Japanese audience apparently likes rape-fetishistic scenes, so the companies are answering. It also is a convenient "tool" for writers to use to try and create "conflict/drama/tension". Callous, really.

Yeah, that SnU 3P thing to me felt like, "oh yeah, let's dump this here just to remind our readers that I'm an eroge!" I understood the Saya x Fuminori scenes as a depiction of their passionate love (though I'm sure sex isn't the only thing that could depict this, but this is an eroge), and
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Fuminori's neighbour assaulting Saya as a symbol of his madness
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Post by Loren Leah on 16/04/13, 11:36 pm

I've played a few R-18 games, basically I'll play anything that looks like the story might be good. But so far I've yet to play one where I actually enjoyed the sex scenes or where they seemed like anything other than a gratuitous cash grab that really had very little to do with the games themselves :/ I'm also grossed out by the rapeyness of most of them -- I don't mind dark elements in games (obviously considering how much I love BWS haha) but I really hate the "oh he raped me/did horrible things to me but I fell in love so it's all okay now" cliche.

Also is it me, or even viewing them strictly as sex fodder, don't a lot of them just seem... not very titillating? Even though these are games for girls a lot of them seem to have things like CGs where the heroine gets naked during sex but not the guy...not to sound crude but I can't say I find that very interesting...

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Post by Ace of Hearts on 16/04/13, 11:46 pm

Last night I was just talking about how innocent the forum was so far XD. I wondered if it was okay to talk about these things. Since this topic still stands, I'm going to assume it is.

The only R18+ otome game I played was Under the Moon. I'm not a fan of the art style, and what little plot there was just seemed added in to compliment the hscenes. It wasn't an amazing game. If it had a good plot, I would have been able to enjoy it.

After UTM I've stuck to the games that focus more on romance and have decent plots. I wouldn't be against an R18+ otome game if it had a good plot. There's was only so much shock value to hold my attention for the first game. After that I feel like, "Yeah, there's sex in it. SO WHAT?". If anyone has played an R18+ with a good plot, I would love some recommendations.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 16/04/13, 11:59 pm

Loren Leah wrote:I'm also grossed out by the rapeyness of most of them -- I don't mind dark elements in games (obviously considering how much I love BWS haha) but I really hate the "oh he raped me/did horrible things to me but I fell in love so it's all okay now" cliche.
I can't tell whether it's a really piss-poor "love conquers all, forgiveness is key!" thing, or just bad writing at its purest form.

Loren Leah wrote:Also is it me, or even viewing them strictly as sex fodder, don't a lot of them just seem... not very titillating? Even though these are games for girls a lot of them seem to have things like CGs where the heroine gets naked during sex but not the guy...not to sound crude but I can't say I find that very interesting...

It's supposedly titilating for the majority of their Japanese audience (obviously, the people who they will listen to since they're the ones that fork over that $$$). I agree, though I have to admit that I do take an interest in the "how many positions can a single game think of?" way. You'd think that the game was secretly targeted for dudes, given how much "erotic" artistic attention the girls get more than the guys. Any eroticism it would have IMO is usually ruined by hilariously copious amounts of "fluid", ridiculously long wangs (anatomy fail or going overboard with "the fantasy") and silly bed talk.

Sometimes, the scenes do nicely depict the love and bonding between two characters, but most of the time, they feel shoehorned in, not integrated. Maybe it would be a bit different if the entire scene was recorded on a dummy mic, since the voices make or break these types of games.

Ace of Hearts wrote:If anyone has played an R18+ with a good plot, I would love some recommendations.

It all depends on what you like and what are your "deal-breakers", but I recommend Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari. If you can stomach a few bad/sad endings and darker themes, you may enjoy it. From memory, the forced scenes are avoidable and NOT essential towards a good/true end. The premise is unoriginal and shallow, but the depth of the game may surprise you.

For recent releases, and if you want to avoid forced/rape, Trick or Alice has maybe one or two AVOIDABLE rape scenes, which is a surprise, considering it was written by Hiyo. She put more thought into the plot, but sadly, due to her using dimensional travel themes, she confused herself and the plot gets confusing and convoluted quite easily. It's based on Alice in Wonderland.

I haven't played Koezaru wa Akai Hana, but it has been getting pretty good reviews. I can't vouch for anything about its content, though.

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Post by vocaotome on 17/04/13, 12:04 am

Laramie Castiel wrote:
As terrible as I sound, I've accepted that
rape is a part of R18+ otome games. Fictional rape is a completely
different ball game from real life rape, and I disagree with some
people's views that it instills rape fantasies into its readers. The
psychology behind rape fantasies is not the topic here, so I won't go
on. The Japanese audience apparently likes rape-fetishistic scenes, so
the companies are answering. It also is a convenient "tool" for writers
to use to try and create "conflict/drama/tension". Callous,
really.

It's the same for me sad I don't like it and I wish they'd stop thinking we WANT such rape-centric plot, but it doesn't shock me anymore.

Koezaru is indeed, much better than the regular R18 otome games. Most of the routes had a lot of time spent on relationship development before proceeding to the naughty parts (the one route that was an exception did it correctly and it didn't seem out of place), and the overall story and world were were detailed enough that you could immerse yourself into the story rather than just breeze through the game paying attention to only the romance and nothing else. If only they cut out the bad ends where certain characters became creepy I'd give it a near perfect score.

Akazukin...ah, my love for Ookami-san. HE'S ALWAYS SUCH A SWEETHEART WHY RUIN IT D: (Well, at least he didn't physically force her...emotional blackmailing is plenty bad, though) In the end I had to resort to denial and excuses to protect my otomegokoro T.T

Kuro to kin...if anyone asked me if they should play it, I'd advise them to only play Ikuto's route and drop it (and avoid ALL ends other than the happy one). Like akazukin, it was all fluff the first half, but turned totally weird soon after Kanade started dating anybody. I felt like they used up all happy highschool plot devices in the first half and didn't have any actual story during the actual romance routes.

Chou no Doku was a pretty decent game other than the occasional art derps (Yuriko's HUGE hairbun, also FUJITAAAA), the storyline was justifiably dark and the mystery was intriguing. Shiba is my favorite character when it comes to the feeling of "like", but I find Majima intensely fascinating. I felt slightly sad though that there was one "single" end where she finds out the whole truth and she becomes a private detective in the end (during that era that's REALLY impressive), while in the most "canon" end you get after clearing everything she is completely in the dark and blissfully oblivious.

Ah Christine-how I loved that you were voiced and cute but you failed to deliver :/ Persona was boring enough that I didn't manage to even remember the plot long enough to truly realize what actually happened in the story Neutral The art was pretty, and the plot had a lot of possibilities-but it never matured into the work of art it could have been. The one character whom I adored had an optional Yandere route....WHY.
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Loren Leah wrote:Also is it me, or even viewing them strictly as sex fodder, don't a lot of them just seem... not very titillating? Even though these are games for girls a lot of them seem to have things like CGs where the heroine gets naked during sex but not the guy...not to sound crude but I can't say I find that very interesting...

That's not crude at all, we share your feelings wink Give us some glorious male flesh dammit. This problem in R18 otome games drives me crazy. Very Mad Very Mad Very Mad

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Post by Ace of Hearts on 17/04/13, 12:10 am

Laramie Castiel wrote:It all depends on what you like and what are your "deal-breakers", but I recommend Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari. If you can stomach a few bad/sad endings and darker themes, you may enjoy it. From memory, the forced scenes are avoidable and NOT essential towards a good/true end. The premise is unoriginal and shallow, but the depth of the game may surprise you.

For recent releases, and if you want to avoid forced/rape, Trick or Alice has maybe one or two AVOIDABLE rape scenes, which is a surprise, considering it was written by Hiyo. She put more thought into the plot, but sadly, due to her using dimensional travel themes, she confused herself and the plot gets confusing and convoluted quite easily. It's based on Alice in Wonderland.

I haven't played Koezaru wa Akai Hana, but it has been getting pretty good reviews. I can't vouch for anything about its content, though.

I'm not that sensitive. I can take the darker routes. Otome games don't seem to go into the themes that I can't stomach. Probably because I'm thinking of things that most other people would also find unappealing, or just plain gross. As long as the plot is decent and the characters are interesting I'm game. So I'll go take a look at these recommendations. Trick or Alice is familiar. I've seen it around. The art is off-putting for me, but if it can make up for that, I can still play it.

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Post by vocaotome on 17/04/13, 12:21 am

I think you will like Chou no Doku, I might be having Hatsukoi feelings because it was my first R18 otome game, but I remember liking the plot, and seiyuu list has Kondo Takashi and Daisuke Hirakawa. <3

I am unsure if Trick or Alice would appeal to you, Harroe...since we are already used to one rather well-done Alice adaption and this game had a rather fragmented storyline, but then again, I shouldn't put too much trust in another's words, I didn't play it myself. And Koezaru is GREAT, go play it!

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Post by cielanne on 17/04/13, 12:24 am

Well I only found one adult otome game in english where the heroïne were not rape and were there was actually what i will call love or romance. Name The second reproduction.
I'm not against adult otome but I believe that when your aim is to sell it to the female population, it shouldn't contain rape.
And I found it quite incomprehensible that the heroine forgive such an act!
That and in those game, the heroine tend to tap on my nerves ( too naïve, too much obrdient ...) . In the end I will say that the plot is not my cup of tea ( loving a rapist and all). Even though I don't mind dark elements or even gore (love horror and martial art genre manga, especially the one with th rabbit game and As The God of Death Dictates know also as KAMISAMA NO IUTOORI)

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 17/04/13, 12:41 am

It's the same for me sad I don't like it and I wish they'd stop thinking we WANT such rape-centric plot, but it doesn't shock me anymore.

Akazukin...ah, my love for Ookami-san. HE'S ALWAYS SUCH A SWEETHEART WHY RUIN IT D: (Well, at least he didn't physically force her...emotional blackmailing is plenty bad, though) In the end I had to resort to denial and excuses to protect my otomegokoro T.T

Ah Christine-how I loved that you were voiced and cute but you failed to deliver :/...The one character whom I adored had an optional Yandere route....WHY.

That's not crude at all, we share your feelings wink Give us some glorious male flesh dammit. This problem in R18 otome games drives me crazy.
Unfortunately, like you alluded to, it goes hand-in-hand with the Yandere boom. It almost makes me wish for the Tsundere boom to come back! Where is my Kuu/Dandere boom?! Whatever happened to trying to create characters without leaning on archetypal crutches? It sounds like it's going above and beyond simply "wanting the moniezzz". It's just LAZY.

*Sheds a tear for your otomegokoro* You poor thing! The most annoying part about
Ookami-san was the fact that he was great in everybody's route other than his own. It's like I got trolled. At least with Yamaneko-san, anybody with any kind of experience with otome games knows that the sly bastard's bad news and can avoid him.

And LMAO about
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turn out that way?! How could they forget their sorry little excuses, LOL. Don't get me started on Richard Filman (maybe his name was the other way around, whatevs).

Yes! The only time where clothes are acceptable in my eyes is if they're getting it on outdoors/a situation where they could get caught any time. Then that's understandable. Maybe the artists are just lazy?

cielanne wrote:I'm not against adult otome but I believe that when your aim is to sell it to the female population, it shouldn't contain rape.

And I found it quite incomprehensible that the heroine forgive such an act!

That and in those game, the heroine tend to tap on my nerves ( too naïve, too much obrdient ...)
Sadly, there is a big demand in rape fantasy stuff (given the popularity of the Do-S) amongst the Japanese audience. Rape is deeply ingrained into their culture- maybe not as badly as the world thinks- but it doesn't show signs of going away. Rape is present in its "real life" porn, erotic novels, hentai manga, visual novels...

Depictions of sex is very sexist; a woman enjoying sex is a whore/slut/other verbal abuses and men are just "being men" if they're putting rabbits to shame. Japan is a fairly conservative society, but women are especially encouraged to be conservative, particularly sexually, which is evident in the appeal of virgins. Of course, not all Japanese people are like this, and it's not as prevelant as it sounds, but the fact remains that such a "culture" exists and there is much more demand for it than say, from a Western audience.

I do agree on the forgiving aspect- the thing is, if the story explored a "Battered Wife" kind of psychological element, then it would make more sense, however terrible. However, these stories tend to just act as though the life-altering, life-ruining experience can be swept under the proverbial rug.

I'm also sick of the obedient and/or naive trope. Leave those innocence fantasies to the boy demographic, please. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that's what male eroge players
apparently likes, not the females. I guess the female protagonist is meant to be shallow, but still...

Trick or Alice might have been a convoluted mess, but at least its protagonist was more proactive, and her innocence didn't equate to idiocy. She was sexually innocent- that's fine; I'd be more worried if she was the school bicycle at such an age. But Hiyo knew that didn't mean Arisa had to be an idiot as a result. Arisa was no genius, but she wasn't bricks-for-brains.

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Post by vocaotome on 17/04/13, 01:37 am

Laramie Castiel wrote:Unfortunately, like you alluded to, it goes hand-in-hand with the Yandere boom. It almost makes me wish for the Tsundere boom to come back! Where is my Kuu/Dandere boom?! Whatever happened to trying to create characters without leaning on archetypal crutches?
Tsundere boom YESSS Why are the cutie characters friendzoned while the psychos get all the babes? >.<

Laramie Castiel wrote: I'm also sick of the obedient and/or naive trope. Leave those innocence fantasies to the boy demographic, please. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that's what male eroge players
apparently likes, not the females. I guess the female protagonist is meant to be shallow, but still...
Ah the naive doormats...I can't count the number of games I ragequit because I got sick the heroine's cliche "pure" personality and predictable responses to everything. Very Mad

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 17/04/13, 02:54 am

I'm still "recovering" from the Tsundere boom- that is- I was starting to get really sick of them, then the Yandere and Do-S booms came along. I guess Borderline Personality Disorder, chainsaws, knives, thinly-veiled threats, cages and raping-the-girl-until-she's-your-sex-slave tactics are the flavours of the month! I'm kinda glad the kuudere, dandere and haraguro haven't "boomed" yet (though the first still has a fair amount of fans)... TOUCH WOOD.

If I rage-quit every otome game I played that had a dense and naive doormat, I'd practically rage-quit about 70% of otome games in existence. I hate that dense/donkan thing. It's rarely played endearingly, and is such an obvious ploy to extended the courtship period. Sure, if the guy is pretty stoic and doesn't show how he feels, I can see how it's hard to understand. But when it comes to those guys who make their intentions obvious (a la Kanakubo Homare from Starry Sky), but the protagonist STILL can't pick it up after a few hours worth of gameplay, it's annoying, alright!

The only justified example of this "pure" heroine I can think of atm is Fiona Galland from Black Wolves Saga. When you're locked up in a tower in isolation from everybody aside from family, it makes sense. Otherwise, obvious plot stretching tactic is obvious.

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Post by Topaztan on 17/04/13, 03:11 am

I'm blaming the yandere boom on a certain pink haired girl...

I've played a solid amount of R18/Cero-Z, and most of them, well. Everything about them has already been said, hasn't it? Rape is certainly a problem. :U The storylines tend to come off as after thoughts and the heroines make me want to bash my head against a wall.

... yet I still play them? *sigh* Oh, the magic of smut.

Actually, right now I'm playing Trick or Alice. I haven't gotten far enough to make a judgement because all of the sparkly artwork is just blinding. Looking at it for too long will make you drunk with 'desu'. Though I'm surprised at the lack of rape thus far. .___. And there is definitely something of a plot line. or maybe I'm just easily confused.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 17/04/13, 03:35 am

Sorry Topaz, if I spoiled you with anything. Man, I should be more careful!

I consider myself an irredeemable pervert, but I take no enjoyment in seeing the protagonist get raped. Perhaps because I never imagine myself as the protagonist. I just can't pretend that I made that dumb decision to drink that obviously spiked cup of tea.

Anyway, there definitely is a "proper" plot, but I did get confused/lost at times towards the end. I actually like the individualistic nature of the art, though I do agree it's pretty crazy. It's fun and whimsical which suits the Alice in Wonderland thing so well. I just think it lacks strong focal points; causing my eyes to spin.

That being said, I loved the interface and the sound effects. At least this little cheese game wasn't as buggy as Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi. before they released a patch (and it was still buggy even then). The most of the cast is likeable, which sounds like a silly point to bring up, but this hardly happens in 18+ otome.

I will have to (painfully) admit that some R18+ otome games I wasn't too impressed with kept me around thanks to seiyuu I like being in smutty scenes. I like to think I have a bit of class, but LOL, not in the Laramie-Castiel-in-the-Diamond-Faction zone.

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Post by Topaztan on 17/04/13, 04:38 am

Nah, it's totally OK. Nothing much was spoiled, if it happens again I might not forgive you though. (Kidding, of course~)

The artwork does suit the Wonderland theme well, but everyone looks so adorable... and then you're reminded of why the game is R-18. ;A;

The interface is really smooth and the sound effects are so cute~. I've never played Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi (ugh, does that have a shorter name?) myself but I've heard that everyone is a yandere it tends to freeze up or crash a lot. I didn't know it was a Little Cheese game though the character design reminds me a lot of Yura's BL games.

Pffftt... I felt like I was going to make a relevant point in this post, I forgot it though. Though I am hoping for more R18 games to discover the wonders of dummy head mics, fufufu~.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 17/04/13, 04:56 am

I MAY HAVE TO CRY AND BEG, Topaztan-sama!

Sometimes I really did feel some dissonance between the maturer feel of the game and the style of the artwork. I think the ultimate decision was for it to look whimsical. The boys were all very pretty, which is a good thing, but I would have wanted more diversity in facial structures. Oh well...

Yeah, I'll say it again- they did a fantastic job on designing the interface. I especially liked the comments the characters made depending on how high/low you set their voices to be. I think that's a Hiyo thing since Akazukin to Mayoi no Mori and Riddle Garden had that also. Because as you may already know Akazukin and Riddle Garden are not made by little cheese.

The fandom shortens Kuro to Kin no Akanai Kagi. to Kuro-Kin, so we can stick to that, LOL. :D Yes, it did freeze up, crash and bug a lot, even AFTER the patch! For example, turning down the BGM to "1" would mute it, but pressing the in-game mute option wouldn't mute the music. :/ I wouldn't say EVERYONE is yandere, I don't want to delve too deep into examples, because I don't want to accidentally spoil other people who may be reading my post. Let's just say that "haraguro" would be a more accurate description for some of the main cast.

The character designs and art of Kuro-Kin is by Yura. It's Yura's newer style; somewhere between Luckydog1 and Hana Awase. I like Yura's art, in spite of its flaws and all. So yeah, I've been following and checking out her other works, haha. Kuro-Kin is little cheese's first game.

Don't worry, I pretend to make a point all the time and it sometimes works. I've got to agree about the R18+ games needing to get in on the dummy head mic thing, if I haven't mentioned it already. I really wonder if a difference in microphone would influence production costs so much? I remember listening to seiyuu free talks that dummy head mics take a lot more effort to record with (naturally). Perhaps that means the sound would end up having to be implemented into the game differently... STILL WANT IT TO HAPPEN.

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Post by Topaztan on 17/04/13, 05:29 am

Ah, please don't do that. Y-you're attracting too much attention Laramie-san!

I haven't seen all of the CGs yet, obviously, but Alice's skirt is so... puffy! Ahaha, I'm a little jealous my drawings can't be as cute as the ones in Trick or Alice. You know what else is a Hiyo thing? Rape. Little touches like that do add to the overall game play and this game certainly has plenty of little details.

Well, with the smooth interface of Trick or Alice I guess they listened and totally made up for the bad patch work. Little Cheese only has two games then, I guess future games will also have nice touches to them. Hopefully the continue to improve and we can have some quality R18 games. If they're still active, I'll be sad if they're not...

You say Kuro-kin has haraguro... hmm. Ahh, Yes! Yura. <3 I've adored her art ever since I saw it in LD1. It's so unique and pretty. I'm tempted to play this game now but the glitches sound really distracting. :I

I think not many people have picked up on dummy head mics because they're expensive? I don't know much about how Japan does voice recording but I'm assuming they will have more than one voice actor on more than one microphone, so assuming dummy head mics are ridiculously expensive, and the company could only afford one it would slow down game production... You know what I don't actually know. That's a lame excuse.

Though I have noticed when recording with dummy head mics the way it blends with background music is different than it would be with just a normal microphone.

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Post by Laramie Castiel on 17/04/13, 05:46 am

Oh yes, rape is a very "Hiyo" thing. At least she's somewhat trying to break the mould in Trick or Alice.

Yup, haraguro. I LOVE haraguro. The nicer the guy that becomes haraguro, the better~
You know, BL gets a lot of flack for being "plotless", but I thought Luckydog1 was excellent!

Anyway, moving on... the bugs aren't as frequent as I made it sound (sorry about my wording before), as long as you patch the game, which is super easy to do. After that, it only very rarely crashes (mine crashed twice during my entire playtime until 100% completion. Yes, I'm one of those 100% completion people. 99% is the most horrible percentage EVER.)

Oh yes, the dummy head mic is exxy at almost US$8,000. Eep! :shock: I'm also inclined to think they'd have more than just the one mic. I remember in the Diabolik Lovers drama CD seiyuu free talk, some of the actors (I think Kaji Yuuki, as an example) mentioned having finished recording quite some time before the free talk. It could be that one had more lines than the other, but barring that fact... It could mean that there are limited mics and only a certain amount of actors could record at a time, or simply since they're all popular, they had multiple scheduling conflicts and Kaji Yuuki happened to be the least delayed. Who really knows?

But my point remains: I agree and highly doubt that they'd have just the one mic.

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